Natural Rights vs. Civil Rights
Natural rights are those that can not be given by a government. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. “The right to personality”. What you believe, how you respond, the core of who you are. Then there are civil rights, or legal rights. Legal rights are dependent upon laws, customs or beliefs of the society. Just like a drivers license, the right to vote, entering into legal contracts, there are certain regulations which determine who is able to enter into such an agreement. These regulations have been determined on social values. Up until now, the social values have excluded same-sex, underage, and multiple marriages.
History:
In 2000, California passed Proposition 22 with 61% of the vote. Proposition 22 simply stated in 14 words: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California." This was an amendment to the previous wording, “marriage is the right between two consenting adults.” In 2004, the Mayor of San Fransisco, Gavin Newsom issued altered marriage applications and licenses. The following day the Proposition 22 legal defense team filed actions to prohibit the Mayor from doing so. The courts denied their request. They appealed to the Supreme Court of California, stating these actions violate the amended California constitution, in the In Re Marriage Case. In June of 2008, the court ruled in a 4-3 decision to uphold their previous ruling, allowing gay-marriages to be legally recognized. Majority decision states that gay marriage is a “basic civil or human right of all people” and that these rights can not be “eliminated or abrogated by the Legislature or by the electorate through the statutory initiative process”. Dissenting opinions stated, “California statutes already recognize same-sex unions and grant them all the substantive legal rights this state can bestow.”
Proposition 8:
The court ruling will not take full effect until after November elections. In November, residents of California will be voting on the exact same wording as in 2000, the same 14 words. “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California”.
My Take:
Marriage is a sacred institution, which has been such since the beginning of humanity. Marriage should only entered into by a man and a woman who see it as a life-long (or eternal) commitment, not just an optional step in a relationship. Do I believe that there should be rights of kinship for those of the same sex? In most cases, yes. (Hospital visitation, power of attorney, inheritance, etc). However, here are some possible concerns that allowing same-sex marriage could implicate:
- Removal of Officiating Authority: Ministers within a large variety of churches are concerned that their authority to marry couples will be stripped from them, if they refuse to marry same-sex couples. Although the courts have stated that this won’t happen, as we have seen in the past, all it takes is one “legislative” court to find this ‘discrimination’ unconstitutional and that these churches are not abiding by the laws of the land, and remove their authority.
- Religious Adoption Agencies: For the same reason listed above, the agencies refusal to adopt children into same-sex marriage homes would leave them vulnerable to law suit.
- Schools: This area is very much ‘he said, he said’ (sorry I couldn’t help myself). Proponents of Prop. 8 have cases from Massachusetts and California of teachers introducing same-sex marriage to elementary school age children, without the consent or notification to the parents.
These are just a few possible scenarios of the legal ramifications of Proposition 8 not being passed. It is apparent the courts overstepped their authority, especially disregarding the will of the majority in California. I have heard suggestions separating the issue into a legal and moral decisions. However, our founders of our country and Constitution believed that the morality of a society was intertwined with the laws which govern. A self-governing society would only survive when there are public morals. Immorality is rampant and condoned, while virtue and chastity are criticized. If you don't believe this will affect you, talk with a junior high student about what is happening with their classmates. Also the following states have made gay marriage, domestic partnerships or civil unions legal: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Washington, Oregon, New Hampshire, Iowa, and Maryland. Other states who have already voted on and written into their state constitutions a similar amendment, several court findings have found them unconstitutional. What I find unconstitutional are judges usurping the will of the people, and deciding for us what laws are appropriate. Tell me how you feel on this controversial issue.
Wednesday, October 22, 2008
14 Words
Disclaimer: I have thought for quite a while about how to approach this issue facing California. I had a great discussion with someone recently, who I highly respect their opinion. They were not supportive of Proposition 8. They brought up concepts that I really had to think about, and form my own opinion on. Here is what I’ve come up with.
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"At the establishment of our constitutions, the judiciary bodies were supposed to be the most helpless and harmless members of the government. Experience, however, soon showed in what way they were to become the most dangerous; that the insufficiency of the means provided for their removal gave them a freehold and irresponsibility in office; that their decisions, seeming to concern individual suitors only, pass silent and unheeded by the public at large; that these decisions, nevertheless, become law by precedent, sapping, by little and little, the foundations of the constitution, and working its change by construction, before any one has perceived that that invisible and helpless worm has been busily employed in consuming its substance. In truth, man is not made to be trusted for life, if secured against all liability to account."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Monsieur A. Coray, Oct 31, 1823
Thanks Gale! I love the sound wisdom of our fore-fathers. I have to tell ya, I'm a little nervous I scared people off! There hasn't been any other response!
I'm not scared off, just pleasantly surprised and relishing in the fact that we agree on something! Most of my trouble is that I feel bad for the people this affects the most, and I don't want to infringe on anyone's way of life that might be different from mine. But where do we draw the line? This a big moral and legal issue that the people of the state have already voted on; the court should stand by their decision. Why even vote at all, about anything, if a judge can just overturn it?
Your photo is beautiful by the way.
To remain politically neutral on the issue of abortion and same sex marriage is a joke (meaning, voting democratc eventhough you are pro-life and anti-same sex marriage), look at all the headway that the dems/liberals are making regarding these two issues. I mentioned before (maybe that was my blog, I can't remember where I said it), Elder Ballard went to Cali to talk to the members there to start a movement and get the word out to vote for prop 8. It is easy to just listen to our church leaders and go forth with blind faith, especially when it sometimes doesn't seem like such a big deal. Sometimes I really catch myself thinking, good grief, just let them get married already and let's get on with it. HOWEVER, to build my testimony and not be so blind (I have no problem being blind at times), I have done my own personal research on the effects of same sex marriage and what it does to children. No, I have no references because I have been WAYYY busy lately (nephew in rehab so I'm watching my 3 of the 6 of my sisters kids in addition to my 2 kids and being pregnant AND watching my friends kid for another month) and getting my thoughs down is taking enough time :) HOWEVER, it is detrimental to children and normalcy. I realize that there is an arguement that children would be better off in a home where two people love each other regardless of the fact that they are same-sex than in a broken home or single parent home, but this arguement if FALSE. In theory it sounds great, but do some research and you'll find that it isn't a healthy environment. The BEST option is to put children in a 2 parent home and hope for the best regarding the parents relationship. Ok, am I making any sense here, I feel like I am rambling and going no where. ANYWAY, we have got to stand up STRONG against same sex marriage because it isn't normal and it isn't healthy. I actually have a friend in my ward who grew up in an alternative home, mom was a lesbian with a live-in partner, and she has been very exposed personally to that lifestyle and others who life that lifestyle, and she is admiant that it is NOT normal. Can you imagine the marraige certificate you get from the temple (because it's from the state) saying "Partner A and Partner B" that just seems a little weird to me. Furthermore, I DO NOT want my children to even be offered the "opportunity" to go on a field trip with their 1st grade class to their teachers same-sex wedding. YES, this happened just a few weeks ago. Do any of you have 1st graders? Do you think that is a place you want your children to be educated?
Lastly, let me just mention that I have a cousin who served a mission and is now openly gay. I have friends who are gay, my former boss was gay. I LIKE gay people, I just completely disagree with their lifestyle and will never excuse it as something that is normal and I will do my best to not allow it to creep into our system of living. Oh yeah, did I mention that when I was in HS and in my sex education class, that I was told (12 YEARS AGO) that if I had homosexual feelings that they were normal and that I should explore them. If that's what I got then, then what are they getting now?!?!?!?
YES to PROP 8
Appreciate the dig Jen. Must be hard for you to remain civil...
Just this week a good friend and active member of our church sent me an email and I could hear the agony in her words. She is pro gay marriage and has a family member that this affects. I also don't want to infringe on someones way of life that is different than mine but we have to draw the line at some point. I empathised with this friend and told her that as idividuals we have issues that are meaningful to us but we should always try to look at the larger picture. This could effect so many things about our society and the way we live....we have to draw the line. A good friend of mine did a great great job creating a clip for youtube. here is the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewXaVmfOj2w
p.s. glad we didn't scare anyone off. I love the mix of comments and discussion we have here.
I'm definetly Yes on Prop 8. My family lives in CA and they have been fighting so hard for this. In fact, my mom just wrote an editorial for the paper (I posted it on my blog) and my dad has also written some pieces. If you want, I can send them to you.
ps. in California gay partners have all the legal rights that a married couple does. they don't need to be married to have those rights... but children will be taught that marriage between any 2 adults is acceptable. I have so many articles, videos, etc if you are interested.
Lula, that comment wasn't directed at you, it was general. Sorry if you took it personally.
I was, in fact, going to agree with you regarding your post. What are we voting on this AGAIN anyway?
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